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Old 01-12-2019, 02:44 PM   #2991
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Don't pretend you don't know about the scorched earth strategy.

It's physically impossible to protect you from the coming enemy. Your army always leaves you to the enemy, itself regrouping in the hinterland and counterattacking, so your land is laid waste twice.

So the army cannot protect you from destruction.
Sure it can. That's why Britain speaks English instead of German. That's why Russians speak Russian instead of German.

Military victory is why there's a United States; military defeat is why there's no Republic of Vietnam. Military victory is why Canada isn't a few more states in the United States.

Not every defense is "scorched Earth". Britain's defense of the nation in the Second World War had some civilian casualties, 67,000 -- a considerable number, but out of a then population of 46 million, far from total devastation.
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Don't pretend you don't know about the scorched earth strategy.

It's physically impossible to protect you from the coming enemy. Your army always leaves you to the enemy, itself regrouping in the hinterland and counterattacking, so your land is laid waste twice.

So the army cannot protect you from destruction.
Of course I know about the "scorched earth" policy. The biggest commies ever, the Soviets, used it to good effect in WW2.

What's wrong with it? Are you the type that would just roll over if someone came into your land and said, "give us all your shit, and become our slaves"?

You don't let evil have its way with you. If the Chinese ever got to the point where they tried to invade us it would be better to nuke everything than live under those evil bastards.

Some kinds of life are worse than death.

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Of course I know about the "scorched earth" policy. The biggest commies ever, the Soviets, used it to good effect in WW2.

What's wrong with it? Are you the type that would just roll over if someone came into your land and said, "give us all your shit, and become our slaves"?

You don't let evil have its way with you. If the Chinese ever got to the point where they tried to invade us it would be better to nuke everything than live under those evil bastards.

Some kinds of life are worse than death.
Better dead than Red? I haven't heard that one for a long time - can't say I have been missing it.

Bearing in mind that the Peoples Republic of China is nowadays a fascist state (and actually this is an improvement for the people from Mao's communism) I would still confidently expect it to implode whenever its people get tired of being treated like cattle. Countries which depend on oppression and brute force to keep their people subservient always end up like the Ceausescu regime, overthrown when the people rise up. The former Warsaw Pact slave countries are now in their third decade of freedom, as are the Baltic States after so long being the conquests of the USSR.

While you live, you may yet experience better fortune - but all the dead are dead alike.

On the one hand, if my own country was being overrun by deadly enemies (Communists, Nazis, Daleks, Sea Devils, whatever) I would cheerfully go down fighting and take as many enemies to Hell with me as I could manage to kill. What I would not do is to irradiate the land and choose death for the British generations following after me. Dead is not better than Red, not where my niece and nephew and their future children are concerned.
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Dead is not better than Red, not where my niece and nephew and their future children are concerned.
All sorts of people have had to make their peace with noxious regimes.

There's a famous line, someone asked one of the men who survived the French Revolution's Terror, what he did during the Revolution, his response was J'ai vecu = "I lived"

For much of human history that's been about as much as ordinary folk have managed, and its good enough. . .
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Dead is not better than Red, not where my niece and nephew and their future children are concerned.
Your niece and nephew would most likely die in forced labor camps.
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Why is it that most who espouse communism/socialism, and live in a free country, don't immigrate to a worker's paradise like North Korea or Venezuela?
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Why is it that most who espouse communism/socialism, and live in a free country, don't immigrate to a worker's paradise like North Korea or Venezuela?
According to you, what means Communism?
Where did you learn the definition you have in your brain?

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Your niece and nephew would most likely die in forced labor camps.
Their children will have a destroyed environment because of insane free-market capitalism promotted by stupid people like Thatcher and Reagan.
Just open your eyes.
Chinese were riding bycicle, when your stupid President (a serie B actor ) knocked at their door and said:
"We don't want to produce anymore.
Our American workers are too expensive, our laws about environment are too restrictive.
We only want a few educated stooges working in office and creating new kind of useless services.
The rest of our population can become depressed, take drugs and alcohol.
We don't care.
We will invest in healthcare industry to take their money.
Do you want to work at our place?
Do you accept the deal?"

- The wise Chinese leader remembering what said Marx in the Communist Manifesto about Capitalism answered: "Yep, we have a problem of overpopulation. People working more have less children. Send your industries to our country. We will make our transition thanks to Capitalism. We have to take care of our local population first. We let you manage your American workers too."

That's what happened.

The result? China today pollutes the world almost like USA. Trump was elected as savior in 2017.

Today Ronald and Margareth are both decomposed in the soil and their model of economy is ruining the future of humanity all around the planet.

Thank you Margareth, thank you Ronald.

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Sure it can.
You are a master of old interesting stories, they often are very relevant, but the reality today is... it can't.

That's what mentionned Einstein himself.
On the other hand, after watching the first nuclear bomb exploded, Oppenheimer thought he brought peace on the planet. He sadly observed what Einstein said about humanity, its stupidity is unlimited.
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According to you, what means Communism?
This sums it up for me



I mean that as a joke and also not.
Gulag jokes aside, I reckon if there was a "real commie" state I'd prefer to be in a prison there, you'd still get fed provided there is actually food, I think, but at least I won't have to work the same farm as everyone else, I mean what's the worst the 'real commies' could do if you refused to work ???
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I mean that as a joke and also not.
Gulag jokes aside, I reckon if there was a "real commie" state I'd prefer to be in a prison there, you'd still get fed provided there is actually food, I think, but at least I won't have to work the same farm as everyone else, I mean what's the worst the 'real commies' could do if you refused to work ???
Errr....
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Errr....
I don't mean our version of "Real Commies", the only one the worlds ever known where you'd be tortured and fed cockroach soup on a good day

I mean the imaginary "Real Commies" if you only harvested one hessian bag of corn a week your punishment is your shamed to your huts confines for week and won't be able to bask in the glory of collective farming, so you get to sleep in your hammock and still get fed, corn
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