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Old 01-13-2019, 12:03 AM   #37741
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The thought of deep water terrifies me. "Deep" means when I can't see the bottom. My only long ferry trip took 3 days from one end of the Baltic to the other. I could only distract myself by eating the free food and drinking duty-free booze. And sleeping, of course. Many Russians on that ship, all young, and none drank alcohol. Maybe Gorbachev infected them, who knows?

My only other ferry trip was to Tallinn. Booze was too expensive for me, but all the Finns were drunk. Normally it would only take 3-4 hours, but the Gulf of Finland was frozen with pack-ice and it took more than 12 hours

Alcohol and Scandinavians go together well. half of the Swedish bands i saw live were half drunk (and sometimes drinking) on stage, Icelanders on an airplane next to me drank up all the available alcohol on the plane. All of them were great people, i love them



As for your fear of deep water, palo, i agree completely! I'd never do a cruise unless someone held a gun to my head.
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The thought of deep water terrifies me. "Deep" means when I can't see the bottom. My only long ferry trip took 3 days from one end of the Baltic to the other. I could only distract myself by eating the free food and drinking duty-free booze. And sleeping, of course. Many Russians on that ship, all young, and none drank alcohol. Maybe Gorbachev infected them, who knows?

My only other ferry trip was to Tallinn. Booze was too expensive for me, but all the Finns were drunk. Normally it would only take 3-4 hours, but the Gulf of Finland was frozen with pack-ice and it took more than 12 hours
On my first sea trip to the Outer Hebrides in 1998 I rode my motorcycle put of the ferry MV Hebridean Isles, still in service today (bless her) onto the very minimalist "port area" of Tarbert chief settlement of the Isle of Harris.

The ship is not some flat bottomed thing, she has to cope with winter sea conditions so has draught to stop her rolling excessively. As you see, the ships get quite close in at Tarbert and there isn't an artificial dock there - therefore the normal sea is deep enough for the ship to get close to the shore. If that water was anything less than ten yards deep when I peered in, I will eat my crash helmet. I could see the bottom as clear as clear could be. You never get that when looking from the shore into the sea on the UK mainland. That water was extremely clean, as was the island. I never taste better air in my life than when I visit those islands.

But your comment about not being able to see the bottom made me think of this. I would drown rapidly if I fell in at Tarbert. I swim like a brick, and I have to report that the Mediterranean appearance of the sea in photographs of those islands is appearance only - on a blazing August heatwave day the sea there is cold enough to chill champagne. I would not last long. The good news is that the rescue services would find my corpse on the sea bed quite easily.
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I worry if I can see the bottom. Ships don't ground in blue water.

On the other hand, a cruise with a thousand other Americans is my idea of Hell.
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I worry if I can see the bottom. Ships don't ground in blue water.

On the other hand, a cruise with a thousand other Americans is my idea of Hell.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2010...pam-pop-tarts/

Fancy a 7 day cruise of the Mexican Riviera aboard the Carnival Splendour? The menu is spam, crab meat and pop tarts provided by the USS Ronald Reagan - you also get croissants for breakfast. No air con and no internet or mobile phone. She probably rolls a lot as well when being towed.

Aw, come on...why not?
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Folks sure loves those cruise liners even when there are constantly reports of mass numbers of people getting sick on them again and again and again.

You won't get me on one of them.

It's a floating giant petri dish.

Just like passengers airliners airplanes: full of germs and bacteria.
My wife and I went on a 7 day Caribbean cruise in 2005, and while everything went well, I was constantly reminded about how clueless landsmen are about the sea (and ships) . . . and how bad it could get in bad weather, or in a genuine emergency situation.

Many years ago (when I was just a pup), on my last ship before re-joining the civilian world, everyone was well trained. and could be relied upon to handle any situation.



While I am be quite comfortable in many kinds of ocean-going vessels, I struggle with the thought of being cooped up in a metal box with thousands of people who might panic if the ship took a good roll, or smelled smoke.
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You haven't been at the bottom of the Mariana Trench. You don't know what you're missing!!
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You haven't been at the bottom of the Mariana Trench. You don't know what you're missing!!
He's not exactly alone. More people have been to the moon than have been to the bottom of the Mariana Trench
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He's not exactly alone. More people have been to the moon than have been to the bottom of the Mariana Trench
That's true. Only three people have been down there as far as I know, James Cameron being the last in 2012. Sure, the exposure to the pressures of the sea brings more risks than that to cosmic rays and sun radiation. And there's no pressure on the Moon.
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That's true. Only three people have been down there as far as I know, James Cameron being the last in 2012. Sure, the exposure to the pressures of the sea brings more risks than that to cosmic rays and sun radiation. And there's no pressure on the Moon.
A midget submarine at the bottom of the Marianas Trench. Apparently, if you transferred Mount Everest and K2 into the Trench, their peaks would be over 2 kilometers below the surface of the sea. If you don't get claustrophobia in a little sub down there, you just wont get claustrophobia anywhere.

When I go on a summer holiday, I point a motorcycle at the horizon and I go wherever the road goes. I usually have a destination, for example the Scottish Western Isles, or Venice, or Florence; but the ride is just as important as the destination. Even though a lot of it is motorway (dull) and even though it might rain like Hell and all day long (especially in France), I will always have the wind in my face. If I get a last wish when I die, my last wish will be to feel God's clean wind in my face all the way to the end. So no Marianas Trench for me.
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I went on a lot of "cruises" in the 2000s on all the Easycruise destinations and itineraries. Because we booked early we got cabins for about £40 pn.


Probably the best one we went on was a Caribbean cruise. We managed to get return flights to Barbados for 2 weeks for £250 each and a weeks cruise for the 2 of us for £350.
The boat was more like a ferry than a cruise ship tho'. It was about 80m long and never had more than about 50 passengers on any of the cruises. You could get meals and drinks on board or you could bring your own.
All the trips on were a lot of fun with a lot of music and dancing and fairly cheap booze.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EasyCruise


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/c...e-Odyssey.html


Also been of loads of ferries around Europe including 2 which, when I was on a train trip, the whole train went on board ( Sweden--Germany and toe of Italy--Sicily).
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